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Jenifer Johnson
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 Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2010 11:46 am Post subject: Function of government. |
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We are told that there are only two purposes of government.
1. To protect one's individual rights and individual sovereignty.
2. To accomplish collectively what one could never do individually.
These are two fallacies.
Let's start with the first. The ultimate responsibility for one's own protection is one's self. If someone is determined to kill you, no one on earth can stop them, but you. Government, as an entity, has probably only killed more people than religion, as an entity. The next person that is most likely to kill you, is someone that knows you. A spouse is the one most likely to kill you, if it ever happens. The people that are the least likely to harm you, are those that you don't know or you will never have any contact with. Protection is strictly local.
When it comes to protection; when seconds count, police take minutes and only bring the body bag. Police not only give the illusion of protection but they claim to have no duty to protect. There are numerous court decisions, Warren v. District of Columbia only being one of them, that has established that government has no duty to protect the individual. One only has to watch the evening news for one day to prove that the so called government doesn't protect anyone from anything. This illusion is not only a fraud, but the deaths of all those that had the perception of protection are complicit in this hoax. How many children or young adults have been walking home with the perception of protection, only to get raped or murdered?
The next fallacy is that a collective can accomplish what an individual could never do. The reality is, because only individuals exist, it is only the individual that ever accomplishes anything in the first place. Next is how do you get people to comply if it isn't by force. Well, anything that can be accomplished collectively by force and be accomplished voluntarily individually. The reality is, the only way one can get someone to do something they want is to present the positive ramifications of it for their self-interest, in order to get their consent. Using a fiction in reality in order to get another to do what I want, by deception and manipulation, is a crime. Government only ends up being nothing more than a facade to give the appearance of legitimacy, so that men and women can provide a service at the point of a gun.
A government structure, as a separate entity, is no different than any other structure that is built for a given purpose. Like a car, once the structure is built, it will run for ever, as long as, it is maintained. The wheel provides the same purpose, that it did the first day someone thought it up. People are the parts in the government structure. Government, as a business that provides goods and services in exchange for enumeration, can be constructed on the basis of hiring people, instead of electing people, which does away with the politics (the criminal aspect of government). The accountability of the government, like a car, is how well it functions down to how well each part functions. If the part isn't functioning, replace it.
The idea that anyone needs a leader comes from the idea you need a Messiah to be saved. The only one that can save you, is yourself.
When you change the way you look at things, the things you look at will change. |
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DavidHenry
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| Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2010 8:23 pm Post subject: Re: Function of government. |
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| Jenifer Johnson wrote: |
Protection is strictly local. |
Okay, but so what?
| Quote: | | When it comes to protection; when seconds count, police take minutes and only bring the body bag. Police not only give the illusion of protection but they claim to have no duty to protect. |
Truth is, there are corrupt police and there are decent police, but what I'm curious about is how you explain why the police ALWAYS involve themselves when there's a siege/bank robbery or any ongoing armed encounter?
| Quote: | How many children or young adults have been walking home with the perception of protection, only to get raped or murdered?
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Too many, and that's why no responsible couple should ever have children if they can't ensure their welfare, ie, if they don't have the money to ensure safe transport of their kids, they should't have them.
| Quote: | | The idea that anyone needs a leader comes from the idea you need a Messiah to be saved. The only one that can save you, is yourself.. |
What we need are ethical and knowledgeable people to focus on the business of running the country and ensuring that law and order is relative, ie, no-one, and no system can stop someone from going haywire, with or without advanced weaponry.
Also, you still haven't answered my question/s I posed in the other thread, and you've got a bad habit of doing that both here and AWE, so why won't you answer them....isn't it because they'll expose how impractical your theory/s are?
The fact is, we need less police, ie, we need armed citizens willing and ready to take down mad dogs and crims who think they're above the law and common decency, so instead of people becoming wanky meterosexuals frightened by their own shadows, we need to arm and train ourselves to defend against any likely threat, however, if we're outnumbered, it's nice to know that a group of professionals with professional weapons are there to back us up......and btw, their slow response times are OUR fault, not their's.
Your anarchy model also overlooks how many people might turn to crime if the police FORCE were disbanded.
You have no meaningful answers to the basic objections I raise, and so you evade my questions and pop up on a new thread......some truthseeker you turned out to be  |
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Jenifer Johnson
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| Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2010 9:54 pm Post subject: Re: Function of government. |
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| DavidHenry wrote: |
Your anarchy model |
From the individual's perceptive, reality is in a state of chaos that is constantly changing where the laws of nature are the only things that brings order.
From birth, the whole objective is to be able to learn how to function in reality through self-governance. The idea that if there wasn't a fiction in reality, used as external control, there would be chaos, is just another false construct used by the criminally insane to scare one into the submission of their con game.
My ability to function in reality has no affect on someone else inability to function in reality. Everyone is independent from each other. The idea that the absence of Government for one, is anarchy for another, is delusional at best; analogous to claiming if one person commits suicide then there will be mass suicide. Your need for a god/government (external control) says everything about you, and nothing about me.
Because government is only a fiction in reality, the absence of government, is analogous to without theism there can not be atheism.
The need for government is muscular dystrophy of the brain. |
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DavidHenry
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| Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2010 11:33 pm Post subject: Re: Function of government. |
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| Jenifer Johnson wrote: | | [ Your need for a god/government (external control) says everything about you, and nothing about me.. |
Speaking of nothing about you, why don't you answer my questions?....you're famous for evading them, and isn't that because you'd have to really think about applying your theories to the real world and are unable to do so...?
You're actually a troll, your criminally insane/head banger/blah blah ad homs are no different to various nutters calling me a Nazi/skinhead for being anti-Zionist.
Your record here and at AWE is a failure to answer questions that expose a fatal weakness in your theories.
Who do you suppose will ever take you or someone like you seriously when you NEVER answer tough questions? |
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Jenifer Johnson
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| Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2010 1:13 pm Post subject: |
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David, No matter how much I want you to understand I can't do your thinking for you. You will have to continue to bang your head. I don't promote the fraud used by all religions, "Come follow me I can save you from yourself."
You are going to have to find the answer to your own questions. I only have a responsibility for my own sojourn towards the truth. |
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DavidHenry
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| Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2010 2:45 pm Post subject: |
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| Jenifer Johnson wrote: | | David, No matter how much I want you to understand I can't do your thinking for you. |
You're doing a limited amount of thinking, and you keep avoiding my questions, btw, I know the answers to my questions, IT'S YOU WHO DOESN'T KNOW, lol...
| Quote: | | You will have to continue to bang your head. I don't promote the fraud used by all religions, "Come follow me I can save you from yourself." |
It's a well known fact I'm an atheist.
| Quote: | | You are going to have to find the answer to your own questions. I only have a responsibility for my own sojourn towards the truth. |
You're engaged in public foruming, as such, anyone has the right to question you. |
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Jenifer Johnson
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| Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2010 4:20 pm Post subject: |
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| DavidHenry wrote: | | It's a well known fact I'm an atheist. |
Yes, I know. An atheist is only the controlled opposition to theism. A Jew by another name. |
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DavidHenry
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| Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2010 5:56 pm Post subject: |
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| Jenifer Johnson wrote: | | DavidHenry wrote: | | It's a well known fact I'm an atheist. |
Yes, I know. An atheist is only the controlled opposition to theism. A Jew by another name. |
It means there's no God and no possibility of God, but why change the subject? |
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Jenifer Johnson
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| Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2010 6:43 pm Post subject: |
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| DavidHenry wrote: | | Jenifer Johnson wrote: | | DavidHenry wrote: | | It's a well known fact I'm an atheist. |
Yes, I know. An atheist is only the controlled opposition to theism. A Jew by another name. |
It means there's no God and no possibility of God, but why change the subject? |
An atheist's god is just another fiction in reality called government. Same fraud, just the use of a different fiction in reality for external control.
Good example, is one that claims to be an atheistic Jew. You bought into it hook, line, and sinker. |
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DavidHenry
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| Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2010 7:01 pm Post subject: |
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| Jenifer Johnson wrote: |
An atheist's god is just another fiction in reality called government. Same fraud, just the use of a different fiction in reality for external control.
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You refuse to answer my questions relating to the practicality of your anarchy model and yet act like it's the moral standard, LOLOLOL.
No matter which forum we go to, you're considered a nutter, and you're also famous for evading tough questions which expose your theory as unworkable, ie others have sought clarification of your idea's, but you've failed to answer. |
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Jenifer Johnson
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| Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2010 8:11 pm Post subject: |
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| DavidHenry wrote: | | No matter which forum we go to, you're considered a nutter, |
Consensus doesn't make something true.
The people who are crazy, are the ones that either believe or claim to believe in fictions in reality, so they can feel good about gang raping people. |
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DavidHenry
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| Posted: Thu Jun 24, 2010 8:39 am Post subject: |
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Sorry David, I edited your post instead of quoting it. My bad. 
If you remember what you posted, please reenter it. |
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Jenifer Johnson
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| Posted: Thu Jun 24, 2010 7:16 pm Post subject: |
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| DavidHenry wrote: | you've got everyone against you,
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How would you know? Liz, back in the Liberty Forum days, told me to quit associating myself with you. At that time the benefit outweighed the detriment. |
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DavidHenry
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| Posted: Fri Jun 25, 2010 3:20 am Post subject: |
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| Jenifer Johnson wrote: | Here is what Darren Wolfe said to the post on a different forum.
Wow, this is great. Do you write anywhere else?l |
Invite him here to answer the questions you've failed to answer.
You're a troll.....you think dumping theory down people's throat's amounts to rational discourse, but it's more akin to plain ole intercourse, ie, you're just fucking with us.
The proper response to a detailed question is an answer, even if it's a "I don't know", but you have the gall to suggest that you can't do my thinking which implies I don't understand, but I do, I do understand and I KNOW that the nonsense that you and a handful of wacko's endorse merely sounds good in theory, but is totally unworkable when applied to the real world.
Easy to prove me wrong, all you have to do is answer my exact question relating to speed limits. |
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