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Simius
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 Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2008 1:53 pm Post subject: Giving lip service to being anti-collectivism |
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I was just wondering, one of your members made a big stink about how collectivism is illegitimate. But at the same time this member went off about how the forum she was posting in is a "Jew rat HOLE" inspite of the fact there are not many, if any, Jews in the forum. Furthermore this member went on to say about one of the mods: "Jews lie as though they will never get caught in their lies."
Now here is my problem. It seems this member gives lip service to not having a collectivist mentality. Yet at the same time this member seems upset entirely because she has decided that the forum is Jewish and that since the mod is a Jew that is why he was lying. If this member truly didn't believe in collectivism and instead judged people at an individual level and not by whatever group they allegedly belong to, then whether or not the mod is a Jew wouldn't have even been brought up by this member. To top it off, the mod isn't Jewish. So not only is it a collectivist attack against him (which I assume you guys wouldn't buy into since collectivism is bunk...) but it is a baseless collectivist attack.
How do you reconcile having a forum that promotes collectivist thought and yet is supposed to be against collectivism? I don't get it.
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A Jew is anyone who supports the evil triad of Judaism, Zionism and Israel.....and when mods/people favour the Jew over the truth, then it's fairly obvious they're Jews.
If you've been paying attention, you would've noticed that JJ wasn't protected by the mods at Liberty Lounge, in fact, she made numerous requests that the mods clean things up, all to no avail. |
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Jenifer Johnson
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First off Motivez, why are you using this clone Simius to come fight your battles?
Second, David and I went to your forum to discuss the dogma of Judaism aka Collectivism, and have been met with a constant barrage of personal attacks directing the attention off of Judaism (Collectivism) rather than discussing the ramifications of the dogma. In addition, constantly perpetrating the canard that the "one is born a Jew", trying to directing the attention away from the dogma as if people are forced to be a Jew.
You as the moderator, after closing and moving threads concentrating on the dogma, allowed this Jewish gang bang to carry on in the thread "Why do people hate Jews?, when I pointed out that it is the dogma of Judaism that people hate, not innocent people and the criminals use "The Jew" as a canard to deflect criticism away from the dogma so they can carry on with their criminal behavior.
There is nothing redeeming about Judaism. At its core is creating a sock puppet of "GOD said" as justification to violate one's individual rights and sovereignty. Judaism is a vile pathetic sick racist sadistic manipulative egotistical paranoid parasitic communal dogma, where a Jew can not separate the dogma from reality. The constant double standard of switching from the collective to the individual status, is at the core of this dogma's slimyness. When the Jewish mentality is held up to the same critical light to which other cultures and peoples are held, they want to be accept as individuals or claim victim status for the actions of their own making.
Motivez : To top it off, the mod isn't Jewish
If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck and acts like a duck, it is a duck. Your actions make a liar out of you.
Third, to answer the charge that I am giving lip service to being anti-collectivism; there is only one true perspective which can only come from the individual perspective, because groups do not physically exist. Critical thinking is the process of organizing reality into an understandable categoriztion so groups are only a construct of one's mind. We are all uniquely distinct individuals where no one is the same or has ever been the same. Forming groups in one's mind is natural, but what is unnatural, is for you to use your group perception as justification to have control over me or another.
Collectivism tries to use the group perspective as a legitimate basis for justification to have control over the individual. A group perspective, is a fiction in reality to start with, that has no legitimacy for having control over anyone. |
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Simius
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| Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2008 10:05 pm Post subject: |
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| DavidHenry wrote: | A Jew is anyone who supports the evil triad of Judaism, Zionism and Israel.....and when mods/people favour the Jew over the truth, then it's fairly obvious they're Jews.
If you've been paying attention, you would've noticed that JJ wasn't protected by the mods at Liberty Lounge, in fact, she made numerous requests that the mods clean things up, all to no avail. |
You see, this is the collectivist thinking that you support, that I am talking about. You are unable to simply criticize the mods/people for whatever perceived slight they caused you, and instead you use your flawed collectivist idea of what a Jew is... then use mindless criticisms you have against the Jews to denounce the mods/people you are angry with.
Thanks, collectivist boy.
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Simius
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| Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2008 10:21 pm Post subject: |
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| Jenifer Johnson wrote: | First off Motivez, why are you using this clone Simius to come fight your battles?
Second, David and I went to your forum to discuss the dogma of Judaism aka Collectivism, and have been met with a constant barrage of personal attacks directing the attention off of Judaism (Collectivism) rather than discussing the ramifications of the dogma. In addition, constantly perpetrating the canard that the "one is born a Jew", trying to directing the attention away from the dogma as if people are forced to be a Jew.
You as the moderator, after closing and moving threads concentrating on the dogma, allowed this Jewish gang bang to carry on in the thread "Why do people hate Jews?, when I pointed out that it is the dogma of Judaism that people hate, not innocent people and the criminals use "The Jew" as a canard to deflect criticism away from the dogma so they can carry on with their criminal behavior.
There is nothing redeeming about Judaism. At its core is creating a sock puppet of "GOD said" as justification to violate one's individual rights and sovereignty. Judaism is a vile pathetic sick racist sadistic manipulative egotistical paranoid parasitic communal dogma, where a Jew can not separate the dogma from reality. The constant double standard of switching from the collective to the individual status, is at the core of this dogma's slimyness. When the Jewish mentality is held up to the same critical light to which other cultures and peoples are held, they want to be accept as individuals or claim victim status for the actions of their own making.
Motivez : To top it off, the mod isn't Jewish
If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck and acts like a duck, it is a duck. Your actions make a liar out of you. |
I'm not Motivez, nor did he send me in his place. But nice conspiracy theory you have going there.
| Quote: | | Third, to answer the charge that I am giving lip service to being anti-collectivism; there is only one true perspective which can only come from the individual perspective, because groups do not physically exist. Critical thinking is the process of organizing reality into an understandable categoriztion so groups are only a construct of one's mind. We are all uniquely distinct individuals where no one is the same or has ever been the same. Forming groups in one's mind is natural, but what is unnatural, is for you to use your group perception as justification to have control over me or another. |
Right. And this is my point. If groups don't physically exist, then why are you trying to call people out for being Jewish whenever they ban you or disagree with you or whatever? If Jews don't exist... and they are just individuals, then attacking them for being Jewish is beyond dumb. Especially when the vast majority of the people you lump into the Jew group aren't Jewish by any definition of the word.
| Quote: | | Collectivism tries to use the group perspective as a legitimate basis for justification to have control over the individual. A group perspective, is a fiction in reality to start with, that has no legitimacy for having control over anyone. |
Collectivism groups people into groups. You reject this notion. So how can you possibly attack someone for being a Jew instead of basing your criticism entirely upon their actions as an individual?
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Simius,
The confusion is in what you consider Collectivism to be. All of human actions and interactions has to have a legitimate system of control. Adulthood is where the control in internal where one is responsible for their actions. Childhood is where the control is external because they haven't reached the maturity to take responsibility for their actions.
The difference between collectivism and individualism is the direction of control.
Individualism is where the direction of control is from the individual to the group, by agreement, for the benefit of the individual.
Collectivism is where the direction of control is from the group to the individual, by force, for the benefit of the group.
The idea that one is "born a Jew" is by force, not by agreement.
Judaism uses the external control of "God said" to justify keeping people in perpetual childhood. If one does not have control of one's actions, one can not be held responsible for those actions. Because the control is external, the crime in a Jew's mind is getting caught, not the violation of another's individual rights and sovereignty.
Judaism is collectivism. |
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DavidHenry
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| Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2008 11:25 pm Post subject: |
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| Simius wrote: | You are unable to simply criticize the mods/people for whatever perceived slight they caused you, and instead you use your flawed collectivist idea of what a Jew is... then use mindless criticisms you have against the Jews to denounce the mods/people you are angry with.
Thanks, collectivist boy. |
Trust me, you don't sound real bright, so quit the smartass comments 
If you're too stupid to understand that when one uses the concept of a group as the basis for law/society, then individuals that conflict with that concept are nevertheless forced to comply, IOW, you're being controlled by various laws, ideas and customs based on the authorities assumption of who you are.
If 52% of people vote for Bush, they vote for his entire mandate, even if they don't agree with all of it, not to mention the other 48% that are discriminated against and forced{by and large} to comply with new and existing legislation and policy, eg, the Iraq war.
The basis for any fair and honest system would be built around man's objective individual rights, ultimately, a basic moral axiom is required to replace God and the wisdom{laugh} of religious folk{especially the Jews}.
Of course, you don't believe in individual rights, nor do you understand the manner in which objectivity applies to ethics.
What clever retort will you treat us to...?....LOL. |
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DavidHenry
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| Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2008 11:29 pm Post subject: |
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| Simius wrote: | | So how can you possibly attack someone for being a Jew instead of basing your criticism entirely upon their actions as an individual? |
Which part of a "Jew is anyone that supports the evil triad of Judaism, Zionism and Israel", don't you understand....? |
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Jenifer Johnson
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| Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2008 11:32 pm Post subject: |
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| Simius wrote: | then why are you trying to call people out for being Jewish whenever they ban you or disagree with you or whatever?
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One's actions are the manifestation of one's beliefs.
All I have ever done is expose the dogma what represents Judaism.
When someone personally attacks another for exposing a dogma, they are projecting their own belief in the dogma taking it personal, therefore believing in the dogma. A Jew is ONLY one that believes, defends, manifests and promotes, Judaism.
If you were exposing Mormonism and I started attacking you personally, you could concluded that I believed in Mormonism. People don't attack someone else to which they are indifferent to.
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We, as individuals, can be identified by our actions, therefore a Jew is identified by their actions of defending Judaism. A criminal is identified by their criminal actions.
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Simius
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| Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2008 11:33 pm Post subject: |
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| Jenifer Johnson wrote: | Simius,
The confusion is in what you consider Collectivism to be. All of human actions and interactions has to have a legitimate system of control. Adulthood is where the control in internal where one is responsible for their actions. Childhood is where the control is external because they haven't reached the maturity to take responsibility for their actions.
The difference between collectivism and individualism is the direction of control.
Individualism is where the direction of control is from the individual to the group, by agreement, for the benefit of the individual.
Collectivism is where the direction of control is from the group to the individual, by force, for the benefit of the group.
The idea that one is "born a Jew" is by force, not by agreement.
Judaism uses the external control of "God said" to justify keeping people in perpetual childhood. If one does not have control of one's actions, one can not be held responsible for those actions. Because the control is external, the crime in a Jew's mind is getting caught, not the violation of another's individual rights and sovereignty.
Judaism is collectivism. |
You can control people through collectivism... but collectivism is grouping people by whatever group they allegedly belong to instead of viewing them as individuals.
I do find it interesting that you decry 'The idea that one is "born a Jew" is by force, not by agreement' and you also decry this external force labeling people as being Jewish or whatever, considering you yourself declare people to be Jews, regardless of whether they are or not. If you are opposed to the external force grouping people and declaring them to be Jews, I'd think you wouldn't mimic that external force and declare people to be Jews.
Is this whole forum full of hypocrites, or are there more people here than just you and David Henry?
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Simius
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| Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2008 11:36 pm Post subject: |
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| DavidHenry wrote: | | Simius wrote: | | So how can you possibly attack someone for being a Jew instead of basing your criticism entirely upon their actions as an individual? |
Which part of a "Jew is anyone that supports the evil triad of Judaism, Zionism and Israel", don't you understand....? |
Probably the part where being a Jew has nothing to do with supporting Judaism Zionism and Israel. There were Jews before Israel. There are Jews who aren't Zionists. There are people who support Judaism who aren't religious and are by no means Jewish.
I'd think a member from a forum dedicated to uncovering the Jewish conspiracy of controlling Internet forums would have at least a basic understanding of what a Jew is.
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Simius
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| Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2008 11:38 pm Post subject: |
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| DavidHenry wrote: | | Simius wrote: | You are unable to simply criticize the mods/people for whatever perceived slight they caused you, and instead you use your flawed collectivist idea of what a Jew is... then use mindless criticisms you have against the Jews to denounce the mods/people you are angry with.
Thanks, collectivist boy. |
Trust me, you don't sound real bright, so quit the smartass comments
If you're too stupid to understand that when one uses the concept of a group as the basis for law/society, then individuals that conflict with that concept are nevertheless forced to comply, IOW, you're being controlled by various laws, ideas and customs based on the authorities assumption of who you are.
If 52% of people vote for Bush, they vote for his entire mandate, even if they don't agree with all of it, not to mention the other 48% that are discriminated against and forced{by and large} to comply with new and existing legislation and policy, eg, the Iraq war.
The basis for any fair and honest system would be built around man's objective individual rights, ultimately, a basic moral axiom is required to replace God and the wisdom{laugh} of religious folk{especially the Jews}.
Of course, you don't believe in individual rights, nor do you understand the manner in which objectivity applies to ethics.
What clever retort will you treat us to...?....LOL. |
It isn't discrimination if the laws are applied equally regardless of which group you identify yourself with.
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DavidHenry
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| Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2008 11:41 pm Post subject: |
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I'm not sure there's much hope JJ, this Simius character is highly resistant to educating, and probably hasn't has an original thought cross his mind since he first took hold of his dick.
This fool is belligerent, but operates with the specious pretext of genuine discussion. |
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DavidHenry
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| Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2008 11:43 pm Post subject: |
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| Simius wrote: | | It isn't discrimination if the laws are applied equally regardless of which group you identify yourself with. |
How can the law/legislation be applied equally if you don't agree with them? |
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| Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2008 11:46 pm Post subject: |
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Simius : I do find it interesting that you decry 'The idea that one is "born a Jew"
"born a Jew" is the source of racism. Don't you decry racism?
The hypocrisy is that Jews claim to decry racism when their dogma is the source of racism. |
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